Note: Peggy Liu is predicated in China. Relations between China and far of the developed world are at the moment at all-time lows. Some would possibly query why, in that context, and at this second in historical past, we’d interview and elevate the message of a pacesetter from China. The reply is straightforward: There are 1.four billion individuals in China. Whether we prefer it or not, all the world’s soil, water provide, meals, and local weather will all be profoundly affected by the alternatives made by the Chinese individuals and authorities. And we predict you’ll be heartened and impressed to study in regards to the work that Peggy and her crew are doing. Indeed, there are beacons of hope popping up in each nation on Earth.

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Below is the edited transcript of the video above:

Ocean Robbins: Welcome, welcome, welcome to this Food Revolution Conversation. I’m Ocean Robbins, your host. And we’re going to look at this time on the world impression of meals and life-style decisions.

Every greenback we spend, each chew we take, is basically a vote. We’re voting for the well being we wish, and we’re voting for the world we wish. And these votes have profound implications. We are additionally impacted by the votes that different individuals solid — by the alternatives different individuals make. And so, we’re going to have a look at that. We’re going to have a look at how at a sure degree, humanity is all interconnected. And our meals techniques are all interconnected — and the way we are able to take part meaningfully in serving to to shift these techniques in order that they affirm life, affirm well being, affirm the dignity of future generations — and assist to construct a extra affluent, thriving, vibrant future for all times on Earth.

Peggy Liu of JUUUCE

Ocean Robbins: And we’re right here with a rare human being, Peggy Liu, Chairperson of JUCCCE, that’s Joint US-China Collaboration on Clean Energy. She has been on the coronary heart of the greening of China since 2007. Over the years, she has realized that as a way to inexperienced China, the US, and the world, now we have to have a look at life-style and meals as properly. So she’s additionally the founder of Food Heroes, which helps to have interaction youngsters in wholesome consuming and promote wholesome meals decisions amongst the subsequent era.

She’s devoted her life to non-public and planetary well being. She’s been named the “Green Goddess of China” by the Chinese press. Peggy travels world wide, consulting with firms and governments on how we are able to catalyze societal scale change, how we are able to scale sustainable innovation, and the way we are able to work collectively to construct a wholesome future for all times on Earth.

Peggy keynotes about classes discovered from China on tackling air pollution, urbanization, epidemics, drought, weight problems, and diabetes. She’s a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader. She was awarded the “Nobel of climate change,” and was honored by the Hillary Institute, which was launched in honor of the good mountain climber Sir Edmund Hillary, “to recognise, reward and nurture great leaders who provide answers to such challenges as climate change, poverty, disease, peace and justice.” The Economist has known as her one of probably the most modern thinkers in Asia. She is a distinguished professor on the Chinese Academy of Governance and a lecturer at China Executive Leadership Academy in Pudong and the National Academy of Mayors of China.

I might go on and on and on. But somewhat than do this, let’s introduce Peggy Liu.

Peggy Liu: Thank you a lot, Ocean, for having me. [LAUGHS] Are you drained from studying all that?

Ocean Robbins: [LAUGHS] It’s fairly a rare life you’ve lived to this point, and I do know you’re simply getting began.

Peggy Liu: It’s been enjoyable. You need to hold maintaining a healthy diet, so you’ve gotten a protracted life.

Ocean Robbins: You do, don’t you? It’s wonderful what you are able to do whenever you nourish your physique with the fitting gas, isn’t it?

Peggy Liu: Exactly. Exactly.

Food Waste and Climate Change

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Ocean Robbins: So Peggy, proper now, we’re talking from 10,000 miles aside, reverse sides of the world actually, and really totally different cultural contexts. But I feel we’ve each stumbled upon some frequent realities like the truth that human beings eat. And what we eat is having this big impression. How does it look out of your standpoint? What are the tendencies you’re seeing round meals? What are the impacts of these tendencies, and what are you attempting to do?

Peggy Liu: Well, you recognize, Chinese individuals love consuming meals. We’re identified for loving to eat meals, however sadly, meaning quite a bit of meals. And now we have these big banquets round these Lazy Susans. And they only hold shoveling you with dishes upon dishes upon dishes. So sadly, meaning quite a bit of meals waste.

And lowering meals waste, based on Project Drawdown, is the quantity three largest intervention in opposition to local weather change. Luckily, China positively understands this. And we’ve launched the second model of our Empty Plate marketing campaign not too long ago. If you’ve gotten 1.34 billion individuals to feed, that’s quite a bit of potential meals waste.

So I feel the pattern is simply to be very conscientious about what’s in your plate, and be very grateful for it. And just remember to’re intentional about the best way that you just eat it.

Ocean Robbins: All proper, I really wish to go a bit deeper with that one. If there was some type of an Olympics of meals waste, I feel the United States would win gold, fairly handily. We waste half of the meals that we produce on this nation. Literally half of it. And then, that’s not even counting the energy we waste by biking them by livestock. It takes 12 kilos of grain or soy to supply one pound of feedlot beef within the United States at this time. Three or 4 kilos per pound of rooster or pork. It’s like a protein manufacturing facility in reverse.

Because we’re not simply getting flesh for these energy, we’re producing hoof and conceal and bones and manure and urine. And, of course, the power the animals use to maneuver round. And all of this has vital environmental impression. Now, we might really feel responsible and ashamed, or lets say, “Oh wow, there’s a tremendous opportunity here, isn’t there?”

Sharing Food and Sharing Love

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Peggy Liu: We put meals in our mouth, however we don’t actually even give it some thought. Is it alive or useless? Does it have optimistic power or useless — weighing down power? Is it full of pollution, or is it stunning, contemporary, and picked proper off of the bush? And that’s actually struck me as the basic downside of meals, is that we don’t notice that it is a actually intimate act.

And in actual fact, now we have banquets in China or in Italy. Around a winery is what I’m imagining. And contemporary meals alongside a picnic desk. What you’re doing is you’re sharing meals and sharing love, proper?

Ocean Robbins: Yes. Yes.

Peggy Liu: And really whenever you prepare dinner, you’re making meals, and also you’re making love.

Now, if you happen to suppose alongside these strains, I feel it might actually, actually make a distinction to all the provide chain, but in addition our personal well being. And I’m not simply speaking about bodily well being, but in addition about religious and energetic well being. Imagine if you happen to checked out each single piece of processed meals like mummies wrapped in coffins. Would you actually wish to eat a mummy wrapped in a coffin?

Ocean Robbins: I don’t suppose I’m going to have the ability to overlook that metaphor. So the coffin is definitely the plastic, isn’t it?

Peggy Liu: Yeah. I imply, give it some thought, proper? If you’re selecting off a rainbow of meals from timber and from the bottom — that’s dwelling soil. That’s dwelling, respiration cells that you just’re placing into your physique, which then nourishes you. And you then, in flip, compost the meals waste and that nourishes the soil, which then nourishes you another time. So that’s actually what we have to get into to vary all the meals system to have a meals revolution.

Recognizing Food Is a Part of Us

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Ocean Robbins: Well, you’re a busy particular person, to say the least. I do know you’re employed very, very lengthy hours. And so do you’ve gotten any type of ritual, or course of, for remembering your relationship with meals? So it doesn’t simply type of get shoved down the hatch? So it isn’t simply misplaced within the busyness and the stress of every part else? How do you convey the sacred into your relationship with meals, even within the center of a busy day?

Peggy Liu: I feel that at any time when you’ve gotten meals in entrance of you, that you must do not forget that it is a dwelling being, actually. In no matter format it’s, it could possibly converse to you. It’s supplying you with its nourishment, its love. And so that you must be grateful and obtain that love in an intentional means.

Ocean Robbins: Yeah

Peggy Liu: And so, somewhat than simply type of shoving down meals, I imply actually take a second to odor it, to benefit from the visuals of it, and to style it totally earlier than it goes down.

Now, of course, the aspect profit is you eat much less as a result of it takes a bit bit longer. [LAUGHS] And you then notice… I imply, for me, my spirituality could be very East Asian, proper? And I view every part as one. Everything is one power subject.

Global Changes in Eating Patterns

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Peggy Liu: The downside with China proper now, I’ve to let you know… I used to be born and raised within the US a very long time in the past; I’m not going to say when. But I moved right here in 2004, and I’ve been seeing a pointy decline over the past era. Today one in two individuals in China are diabetic or prediabetic. That’s fairly unhealthy.

Ocean Robbins: And it wasn’t like era in the past.

Peggy Liu: I imply, truthfully, a era or two in the past, they didn’t even have meals to eat. So, that’s an anomaly, type of. But the best way that Chinese individuals eat could be very, very totally different.

So, first of all, there’s quite a bit of contemporary greens. You stir-fry with garlic or sauces or spices. And our greens style stunning and contemporary and a bit bit crispy. They’re not mushy. I imply, it’s very, very flavorful and really colourful. And then, our meals has little tiny condiments of meat — floor up meat or normally pork. It’s actually for taste, versus an entire steak.

Traditional Foods vs. the Standard American Diet

Peggy Liu: So now, a era and a half later, KFC is the primary franchise, with McDonald’s not that far behind.

Starbucks launched, and different espresso shops, actually, launched milk into the food regimen — the place there was no milk once I was rising up. I imply, milk was actually uncommon and truly foul-tasting. It simply tasted completely totally different. And most of us are lactose illiberal. So milk is an odd factor to place into our drinks anyway. But now, there’s sugar, refined sugar, and milk in espresso, which, of course, we didn’t drink espresso both a era and a half in the past. It was all tea.

And now there are steaks, too. Rather a lot of us try to emulate the TV exhibits or the ads of steak homes within the US as a result of now we’re getting into the center class. So what does the center class do? Well, they eat steaks. But that’s not likely how Chinese individuals eat. We eat slivers of meat or little floor up items of meat, once more, primarily for taste.

And the muffins… We didn’t actually have muffins rising up. Growing up, I solely had fruit, lower up fruit, as dessert. But now, you’ve gotten all these very fluffy dessert bakeries. So this kind of meals is, primary, quite a bit of refined sugars. And all of that turns into fats.

There’s quite a bit of unhealthy stuff taking place in China, and hopefully, we’ll be capable to reverse it with Food Heroes. Teaching individuals to eat a rainbow daily, to drink heaps of water, to develop their very own meals. This is one thing that I’ve realized this era has received to discover ways to do: to develop herbs, to develop their very own tomatoes, to develop their very own peppers. Fruits you could choose off the tree.

Chinese Food Innovation

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Ocean Robbins: We’ll discuss extra about options quickly. But first, I wish to perceive the impression of what’s taking place. So with one-fifth of the world’s inhabitants gravitating on this route, there are profound implications for all of us on Planet Earth. And one of these pertains to meals provide. China used to supply greater than sufficient meals for its personal inhabitants, however that’s not true anymore, is it?

Peggy Liu: No, it’s not. China is the most important importer of every part. I imply, you title it. It’s the one nation with a pork reserve. [LAUGHS] The US has an oil reserve; now we have a pork reserve. And sadly, that causes nations that wish to commerce with China to deforest and simply do industrial-scale farming in order that they will convey these meals commodities to China.

But the excellent news is that China is doing a little very modern issues. For instance, in some locations, 70-80% of ingesting water is utilized by agriculture. And we’re operating out of water, and we simply hold hosing our meals. So we want smarter methods of utilizing water to develop our personal meals.

Rice manufacturing makes use of quite a bit of water, and it’s also one of the most important sources of methane as a result of it sits there and rots within the standing water.

But China has developed varieties of rice that may develop in salty water. And salty water rice doesn’t require quite a bit of irrigation. Just a yr and half in the past, they received it to some extent the place they’re actually rising it at scale. And they’ve given this know-how to different nations like Dubai and components of Africa, too.

The Impact of Food from Farm to Fork

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Ocean Robbins: There was a examine printed within the journal Science a pair of years in the past. They created a dataset after they reviewed 40,000 farms in 119 nations. They had been analyzing 40 totally different meals merchandise that signify 90% of all energy consumed on Planet Earth. And they regarded on the impression of these meals from farm to fork, on land use and local weather change emissions, and freshwater use, and water air pollution, and all types of different elements. They wound up concluding that meat and dairy present 18% of the world’s energy for people — 37% of the protein. They use 83% of all farmlands on Earth, and so they produce 60% of agriculture’s greenhouse fuel emissions.

They ended up concluding that if simply, theoretically, all the world went vegan tomorrow, which, of course, is just not going to occur — however let’s simply play this out for a second — we’d unlock an space of land equal to all of the United States, China, the European Union, and Australia mixed. That’s how a lot land can be immediately saved, which might be used for carbon farming. It might be used to return to forest. It might be used for wildlife habitat. It might be used for future cities. It might be used to develop extra meals for future populations of people. It might be used to develop extra natural meals. Because we might take the stress off of attempting to supply most yield per acre beneath extremely careworn situations, so we may be extra sustainable in order that future generations would have topsoil, water, and a more healthy world to reside in.

And so, I type of wish to floor our dialog a bit bit, so to talk, on this bigger image — and to acknowledge that each step we take to shift that, to assist shift the impression of animal agriculture, particularly, on our planet, is admittedly making it a bit bit simpler on our planet. Isn’t it?

Peggy Liu: Well, quite a bit simpler, I’d say, not just a bit bit simpler. So I discussed Project Drawdown — which I’m on the board of — earlier. And I stated that the quantity three intervention to scale back local weather change is to chop down on our meals waste. Guess what quantity 4 is? A plant-rich food regimen. So the quantity three and quantity 4 options to scale back, or fully reverse, local weather change are in our palms.

Financial Transparency with Commodity Crops

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Ocean Robbins: Yes. So as we search to create change, one of the obstacles we run up in opposition to in our nation is entrenched pursuits which can be cashing in on the established order. And now we have authorities insurance policies that additional that. In the United States, now we have a Farm Bill the place taxpayer cash goes to subsidize and assist farmers.

Now, I assist farmers. They work actually exhausting. They ought to have each doable assist. We ought to again them, completely. However, the farmers we’re backing are primarily the growers of so-called commodities crops. So in web impact, taxpayers are spending tens of billions of yearly, in my nation, bringing down the worth of excessive fructose corn syrup, white flour, and factory-farmed meat. Twinkies have 14 backed substances.

Meanwhile, we’re making a aggressive drawback for broccoli and different wholesome meals that we all know we needs to be consuming extra of. And is it comparable there? Do you’ve gotten value helps and distortions within the market? Or how does that work?

Peggy Liu: I feel within the US, what I spotted — as a result of I’m now working closely in commodities myself — is that there are tremendous entrenched monetary pursuits that can be very, very, very troublesome to interrupt except you’re employed with any individual who understands commodities, and to attempt to expose who’s earning profits out of the commodities to the traditional particular person. So proper now, it’s a really ambiguous, amorphous subject the place persons are making quite a bit of cash, egregious quantities of cash, on issues which can be unhealthy for the remainder of us. So it’s actually not about meals manufacturing. It’s about cash manufacturing. So one is we want transparency. We must know who’s making this cash, and the place is that cash going. And it must be broadcast.

I feel quite a bit of the farmers, truthfully, are outdated women who would possibly wish to actually transition to more healthy farming and to encourage their grandchildren to take over the farms. But they don’t have sufficient capital to transition for 5 years, from industrial agriculture to stunning, numerous, rainbow, lush permaculture. And so, if there was a way that every one that cash that was being made in commodities might be diverted to the transition to community-supported agriculture, and simply to point out individuals how stunning it’s, what a portray that’s in comparison with the kind of rows and rows and rows and rows of one single crop: corn, corn, corn, soybean, soybean, soybean. I imply, it’s a very totally different world.

So I feel transparency, higher transparency, of who is definitely earning profits in commodities.

Food Heroes

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Peggy Liu: The different factor is I don’t wish to simply complain about what’s fallacious. I wish to give individuals a system, which is why we do Food Heroes. The system for altering the world, altering the best way that we eat, is simply utilizing our creativeness and displaying individuals how stunning a life you’ll be able to reside if you happen to had been to totally embrace stunning rainbow meals, entire meals, dwelling meals.

Ocean Robbins: Yeah.

Peggy Liu: So I feel that Food Heroes actually began with little tiny meals heroes that appear to be numerous youngsters, mixed-race youngsters world wide, and studying from their very own points. Maybe their mother and father or kin have diabetes, and it impacts their total household, proper? Maybe they’ve moved to a unique nation, and so they’re completely in shock with the different sorts of meals of their new hometown. And they don’t know fairly how one can prepare dinner it? Maybe they’re lonely. And they discovered how one can make their very own pizzas, and all of a sudden they’re actually fashionable?

So use the tales and the struggles of the meals heroes, the hero’s journeys, to construct this avatar world, so to talk, identical to James Cameron did, the place it’s so stunning and so lush and so scrumptious that you just simply wish to bounce in there, and also you by no means wish to go away that meals world.

Ocean Robbins: Yeah.

Peggy Liu: I feel that that’s the factor that’s actually lacking for all of us to transition to more healthy consuming.

So my problem to the Food Revolution viewers is to essentially take into consideration, okay, if everyone lived the best way that you really want them to and had the connection with meals that all of us wish to, if we had all the attractive meals — and it was reasonably priced in a means that we might simply go and seize it in our nook retailer — properly, how does that change your relationship with your mates and your loved ones?

An Intimate Relationship with Food

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Ocean Robbins: There’s a lot I wish to reply to in what you’re saying. But important, proper now, is that we want a imaginative and prescient of the place we’re going. And in a poisonous meals tradition, ache pushes typically, and imaginative and prescient pulls typically. In a poisonous meals tradition, quite a bit of us are mobilized by not desirous to get sick, by concern for our future, by concern for our local weather, by not wanting issues to proceed the best way they’re going. But on the similar time, that’s not sufficient. We need to say “yes” to one thing. And the attractive factor about meals is that you just don’t simply get to say “no” to junk. You get to say “yes” to well being. You get to say “yes” to the life you need. And there’s a optimistic suggestions loop that units in.

Peggy Liu: That’s proper.

Ocean Robbins: When you convey your meals decisions into alignment with your values, with your integrity, with your goals to your life, then all of a sudden, there’s a congruency; there’s a efficiency; there’s a presence that units in, in your physique. Most individuals I do know really feel a profound sense of disconnection — like we’ve misplaced some sense of belonging. There’s loneliness. There’s isolation so epidemic within the fashionable world. I don’t suppose it’s simply right here. I feel it’s most likely all world wide.

Peggy Liu: Everywhere.

Ocean Robbins: Food is one place the place we are able to begin to weave ourselves again into the net of life. We can begin to really feel ourselves as contributors in an ecosystem, and that provides a way of grounding, actually, a way of place, a way of belonging to our world. And so, that relationship type of adjustments every part, doesn’t it?

Imagining a Healthier Food World

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Peggy Liu: Yes, completely. So, I’ll let you know a bit secret. One of the issues that I’ve been actually taken with is one thing known as quantum manifestation. What meaning is we are able to all change actuality. We can select the world that we wish to reside in. We even have the facility. Where what you do is you think about the world that you really want, and also you categorical it with a lot pleasure that persons are magnetized to that pleasure — that power in movement.

It’s like, I imply, it is a unhealthy instance, but it surely’s like the children who needed the golden ticket to the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. Well, what’s your model of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory if it was dwelling, stunning permaculture — vibrant, rainbow meals? What would that appear to be if you happen to had, as a substitute of the Oompa Loompas, you had the Food Heroes?

Ocean Robbins: Right. Well, I’ve twins, and once they watched Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory once they had been little, we made up an imaginary world by which every part was wholesome. And it was a Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory type of a world.

Peggy Liu: There you go.

Ocean Robbins: And we had been leaping into the kale juice and every part was scrumptious and edible and nourishing.

Peggy Liu: Exactly. So think about if you happen to did that across the faculties and neighborhoods. And you made it a recreation. With Food Heroes — we created over 30 lessons, six video games, and 6 card decks of stunning, stunning meals. And we taught this in numerous cities, in numerous faculties, for very younger youngsters earlier than their dietary habits have been set — when their creativeness can nonetheless run wild.

Ocean Robbins: It’s a lovely imaginative and prescient. Now, you’re, amongst different issues, a preeminent marketer. Obviously, you’re utilizing your abilities in advertising and marketing to attempt to market well being and imaginative and prescient and risk and peace and cooperation on Planet Earth. And I thanks for that.

What you’re sharing, the sense of enjoyment and peace and ease and deliciousness, there’s a sort of a deliciousness to convey all of our sensations into our relationship with our meals lives. It feels fairly compelling, really, as a result of quite a bit of occasions, the meals we select to eat aren’t simply because they match with our self-identity. They’re really issues that we’re pulled to subconsciously. And that, I feel, is one of the challenges for lots of aspiring wholesome eaters is that we are literally hooked on unhealthy meals.

Healthier Comfort Foods

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Ocean Robbins: And so, for anyone who has ever discovered themselves on the fallacious finish of an empty bag of cookies or potato chips; who’s ever felt themselves obsessing over unhealthy meals; preoccupied, type of caught on this unhealthy addictive relationship to meals; obsessed with meals that don’t love us again, do you’ve gotten any recommendation for how one can break that sample?

Peggy Liu: Well, you really named it. Think again to your earliest childhood reminiscence, the place you felt a way of pleasure. You had been so blissful. There is one psychologist that I met, and his idea is that that one second, you really try to recreate your total life. It shapes all of what you do — to attempt to recreate that second.

Now, quite a bit of these moments round meals. Imagine if whenever you’re youthful, you go to events otherwise you’re watching TV, a soccer recreation, and it’s enjoyable since you’re with your loved ones, and also you’re consuming potato chips and scorching canine, et cetera. You’re going to gravitate to those self same meals. The trick I feel for entrepreneurs is to attempt to emulate these consolation meals. What are these consolation meals, like apple pie… I don’t know, what’s one thing that you just’ve heard different individuals gravitate in direction of, like nachos?

Ocean Robbins: Ice cream’s a giant one for lots of individuals. My grandpa based Baskin-Robbins, as I feel you recognize. And so, we all know a bit about ice cream in our household, and the harm it could possibly do, to be trustworthy with you. I’m not concerned within the firm in any respect. Neither is my dad in any means, form, or type. But now we have some histories, possibly some karma nonetheless.

I noticed a comic book not too long ago. He was speaking about how he needed to be environmentally accountable, so he ate the entire carton as a result of he didn’t wish to deplete freezer power by placing leftover ice cream again in there.

Peggy Liu: That’s hilarious. That’s hilarious. Well, so once more, take into consideration the ice cream. I bear in mind rising up in California. And within the warmth of the summer time swimming. And then the ice cream truck would come by. And it might play the sound. And we’d all run to the entrance and attempt to purchase these terrible popsicles with purple, white, and blue, or those that I favored had been the chocolate ones that had sprinkles or cake on them or one thing.

Now, if you happen to had been to have the ability to recreate these with different sorts of more healthy variations, you get the identical sentimental worth. You really feel cherished. That’s actually what all of us need. We wish to really feel cherished. I’d say let’s reinvent these consolation meals and reinvent these moments. All that you must do is use a bit bit of promoting strategies to reshape individuals’s recollections — to substitute that specific consolation meals with your new wholesome consolation meals.

N’ice Cream

Ocean Robbins: Yeah. And only a tip for anybody who’s on the ice cream monitor right here. We take advantage of wonderful home made frozen desserts. We at all times have bananas within the freezer. And so we’ll mix up, within the Vitamix, some bananas —

Peggy Liu: Absolutely, sure.

Ocean Robbins: — a bit bit of soy or nut milk of some type to make it creamy and assist it mix extra simply. And then some fruits, and a few vanilla, possibly some nutmeg. Fruits might be berries. Mangoes are actually candy. Mango’s wonderful, however you can even do strawberry. And vanilla is admittedly useful, and possibly a bit nutmeg, simply so as to add some depth to the flavour profile. And it’s so good. You make it good and thick. You can put it in cones, soft-serve fashion. And now we have these typically. And you don’t need to really feel responsible about it as a result of bananas and berries are good for you.

Peggy Liu: Well, it’s fascinating. In China, now we have purple dragon fruit. It’s a superfood really — with a excessive, excessive content material of vitamin C. So I can think about a lovely sorbet of stunning, vibrant, magenta-like dragon fruit. There are quite a bit of ways in which we are able to discover. And youngsters love exploring. Let their creativeness run wild once they’re younger.

A Web of Mutuality

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Ocean Robbins: Peggy, I wish to thanks a lot. We reside in a world the place nations have been pitted in opposition to one another and cultures and religions and folks — there are such a lot of divisions. And definitely, I wish to acknowledge that the United States and China aren’t on the perfect of phrases proper now in some respects. But we have an effect on one another in profound methods. We have an effect on one another’s local weather. We have an effect on one another’s water provides.

And as a human who needs my youngsters to have a world with a steady local weather, who needs my youngsters to develop up in a world the place there’s sufficient meals to eat for humanity, who needs to reside in a world with peace and prosperity and wellness on Earth, I notice the stake I’ve within the work you’re doing. I notice the impression that you’re having on my youngsters’s future. And I acknowledge that at an final degree, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. stated. “We’re bound in an inescapable web of mutuality.” That what one does impacts all.

And so, I thanks for sharing your knowledge, your brilliance, your creativity, and your management. And I need you to know that I, and all of us over right here on this continent, are benefiting from it. Not simply out of your tangible actions and their impression on our planet, but in addition out of your knowledge and what we are able to glean from it that may assist us do our work higher right here.

Sharing Our Cultures, Sharing Our Food

Peggy Liu: Wow. Thank you a lot, Ocean. I’m actually grateful to your feedback. China has 1.34 billion individuals, most likely extra now. It isn’t simply one other half of the world. It is a big half of the world. And China isn’t only a authorities. China is individuals. It’s meals. It’s tradition. It’s power. It’s historical knowledge. And all of that’s one thing that I actually hope to share with individuals in America, individuals in Europe, individuals in Africa, individuals in Latin America, all over the place.

Because what the traditional Eastern Chinese knowledge or Asian knowledge actually says is that there is no such thing as a you and me; there’s no left and proper; there’s no right here and there. It’s actually simply transformation — like composting. Food goes into compost, into soil, again into rain, again into solar, again into timber, and again into us, again into our cells. Every half of nature may be reborn. That’s what meals is instructing us. And it’s additionally instructing us that sharing meals is sharing love.

With that, thanks a lot for having me, Ocean. I hope to host you right here in China quickly.

Ocean Robbins: I hope so. And I hope to host you right here on our little permaculture farm right here in California sometime, too.

Peggy Liu: I’d love that.

Ocean Robbins: Sharing meals, sharing love, and sharing knowledge. It’s been a privilege to share this time with you. I thanks a lot. Have a lovely day.

Peggy Liu: Thank you. Thank you, Ocean.

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